hi Fareena

Thanks for writing such a great reply

I read that as your reply to another post by our another friend at Sulekha... under her blog "SHAME OF INDIAN MEDIA"

Many points you have said on freedom of speech and flying bullets, I agree with you

Thanks for such  a thought provoking reply

Regards

yashasvi

"Democracy is dead, still it drives our nation….. we are driven by a Ghost …..hai na!!!!"  Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! But lady killer, this is what I read and found:
In India, we have democracy triviliazed into ugly despotism/authoritanism/ totalitarianism/nepotism by sonia's into family business, etc etc. Rememebr the medical students were beaten up when they rallied against caste- and religion-based quota system? Silencing by brute force has been the norm in India. But.....even limited force the King of Nepal used against terrorizing maoists for just a few days was not taken lighlty !  He lost his throne to the savage islamist backed barbaric maoists!!

These are my thoughts on Indian democracy...
Best blog overall in terms of truthful satire, stressing basic elements of democracy, leaders' role, etc etc. had these lines: "We do have freedom of speech. There have been stray incidents of goondas silencing some people, but overall, you are safe within four walls. Only when you venture outside, you have to be a bit careful.

At least there are no bullets flying around. And schoolchildren don’t carry guns. Once in a while, some accident happens. Only during bandhs and rallies we have to be really cautious and stay indoors. Some peaceful protestors may use some peaceful methods. It’s better to be safe. We are non-violent people.

The ones who stay put in their homes usually face no trouble. Especially if you have stocked up on all essential items you need till the peaceful bandh is over. If you don’t have rice, eat bread. If you don’t have bread, drink water.
We do have a good governance. Very, co-operative. Almost anything can be done, provided you know what to do. Everything has its price. The richest in India know that. "

I liked most these lines as well:
"There are many issues of national interest (definitely without thrill and spice), that go unnoticed or hardly noticed by media.
The rule of law: One of the strong most preconditions of the democracy is sound working of the rule of law. ... In India, even if we assume that the writ of the government hardly extends beyond its capital city Delhi, the question still remains, is Delhi a safe place to live with, with full working of law and order situation?
 
Free and fair elections: This is another assumption for the democracy to function properly. In the insurgancy dominated corners of the country, sometimes, going to take part in the election & vote for a party or not, becomes a question of life and death.
  Are we really responsible citizen of India? How much we are concerned about our duty to take part in the elections? Mostly we finish all our duty with a single statement like ‘all politicians are corrupt’, ‘that the system is not working’."

I like these words of wisdom:
"Democracy is a Government of the people, by the people & for the people but the reality is Govt OFF the people; BUY the people & FRAUD the people.  It has become a routine poor people are wooed by freebies, instant money and voting is manipulated. When people promise and did not keep it, they are punished but politicians promise do nothing still go scott-free. They say they are punished by voting out. But is this a punishment? Five years is too long a period for such crooks to damage the country! Is this right?"
and this:
"    *      My vote must have two options. One for local representative and the other for Prime Minister
 
Blame it on frustration or laziness or lack of interest, the turnout during election always remained poor. People take pride in boycott voting.

    *      Non-voters should be penalized or punished
    *      Voters should have the facility to vote from any corner of the country"

and yet again this:
"The main objective of a Government is to provide good governance. The objective of good governance is to provide the citizens freedom, prosperity, peace, protection of their rights, their participation in governance etc., Good governance has nothing to do with the form of governance."

Someone else said:
"If not he should be made to pay for the dishonesty or crime committed. Recognition that common man is the ultimate custodian of power. Democracy is the rule by people (all people), directly or through elected representatives. Election should be based on adult suffrage, fair and free, by secret vote and on ‘one person one vote’ basis. Power is transferred to representatives only for definite periods, (as prescribed by law), as they should win the trust of people from time to time. There must be a constitution or a supreme law or convention to guide representatives and they should be accountable for their actions.When power of State is exercised by different agencies ( legislative, executive, judiciary etc.) there must be checks and balances to ensure they do not encroach on others’ functions.Fundamental and other Freedoms of citizens are clearly provided for or guaranteedunder the Constitution or laws. Dissent and freedom of expression are fundamental for the functioning of democracy."

Yes, "...the vast majority of Indians suffer extreme poverty. A majority of them even don’t have enough food to fill their belly. They don’t have clothes to wear, live on foot paths. Many villages even don’t have access to drinking water, primary education and primary health facilities. They are choked in a vicious circle of illiteracy-unemployment- over population- poverty-Illiteracy. "

Yes, "democractic movement is the outcome of many revolutions"! Indian needs a liberation struggle to emancipate the great majority in the civil society who have neither basic civil rights nor fundamental Human Rights like right to live free from savage islamic serial blasts, free from evanjihadis, free from stoning from osques during Ganesh festivities...etc etc.

A country like India where people with loyalties to external entities like catholic vatican or islamic umma, are ruling for the most part, cannot prosper unlike China where patriotic naitonalism is obviously evident in the rally in support of the olympic torch in every town of China and abroad!

In India, leaders like Honorable Modi-ji is not respected while media thugs, xian mafia, islamic criminals, communist goons, cricket dancers are put on pedastal. That shows how India is different from China which has all the masses moving fwd as one society.

I dont agree with this-
"Today, unlike those eighteen months, by and large, democracy exists in our country. We are free to talk, shout from rooftops if things go wrong. The media is not censored. The media can highlight corruption in high places. (It is another matter that they seem to do it selectively)
The media plays a large role in moulding the public’s opinion."

B/c media is very biased and prejudiced against the secular BJP and is totally pro- jesus-vadis and mohammad-vadis.  So called Hindutvadis are demonized and maligned.  Even patriotic citizens like Honorable  Raj Thakeray and counter-terrorism expert His Excellency Most Honorable Mr Modi-ji are most offensively abused.  There is no objectivity or balance even in Sulekha where someone said, "If there is a comment pro-Hindus, delete it!"  Where is freedom of speech?!

Do you really think the khan-blasts were unavoidable, not preventable.  If there were
military/para-military checkpoints at major junctions, this savage atrocity could have been prevented.  Police are too few, too ill-equipped and too poorly paid to do a good job.  Moreover, Bombay police chief is an islamist, javed, right? That says it all, in khanistan.

Look at China. They too have violent minority muslims. Are they not made to behave properly?  The basic quesiton is one of equality that most muslims cannot seem to  be obligated to get Hindus to have, as they seem to view Hindus to be colonial slaves. If Hindutvadis were strong, this kind of entrenched inequity and barbaric manifestations of enforcing inequality,  might have been largely prevented. Then, there would have been about equal percentage of poor among all faiths; not the current situation where it is the Hindus that are mostlly poor.

Those who dont believe in peaceful coexistence and who have the ideology of hateful violence as the political tool, have been rewarded instead of being punished.   The goondas and communists believe in violence as a political tool.   Yet many secularists whom I call as secular clowns or secular eunuchs, support such hate and such savage violence as these communal barbarism for events outside India:
** SADDAM'S hanging,
** Danish cartoons,
** Rev Falwell's remarks...etc. from violent neighbors' murdering with absolutely no connection to India or Indians like Honorable  Raj Thakeray and counter-terrorism expert His Excellency Most Honorable Mr Modi-ji!!!!!!!!!!  Hence, we may conclude that even anti-Sikh riots were caused by the same sort of goondas.   Knowing fully well this sort of serial mass murders and nazi type ethnic cleansing of Kashmiris, you must know you have gotten nothing but grief and misery from the only segment that has no desire of living peacefully with you? Exposing their obscenely savage atrocities is our patriotic duty!!!

Read what Seetha-ji has to say: "For muslims, religion always comes 1st. Most of them live in luxury after plundering Hindus for several colonial centuries not decades nor years. Most of them keep getting wealthier at our expense as we all get poorer and poorer.

Why should we pay today, out of your pockets for the education and jobs of the dalit muslims who are the street riot criminals puppeteered by their upper caste masters? The same green brigade dalits who are supposed to be poor but have time and money to buy weapons and grenades to cause mob- and bomb-terror with no provocation  by any of you in the public or in BJP or VHP as was the case in
-> Bush riots
-> Cartoon riots
-> Saddam's riots
-> Reverend Falwell's riots
-> Kashmir relics riots
-> al Aqsa israeli mosque riots

all of which had neither provocation nor any compensation revenge for the Hindu victims of islamic hate crimes. The same green brigade dalits with riot blood on thie r hands who have been made poor by their uppercaste ashraf masters who have been made themselves from exploiting them and jizya from you as well, are being fateened from saffron roti of the secular public.

With secularism failing, we are dangerously unstable country with the commies in nexus with the islamic communalists.  Solution is nearlly impossible with the islamic communalists.  Solution is nearlly impossible unless you boycott....

Cricket and bollywood are a curse to India and Indians - full of gambling, wild dances, betting, racism, sucking our money into a few pockets, making the rich-poor divide even wider...Boycott khan movies and cricket!! "

What more evidence do you need that one minor colonial segment who are the savage puppets of pakki fascists is dominating the economic and political scene - long past 1947 when Indians thought colonialism was over? Hence, we may conclude that even anti-Sikh riots were caused by the same sort of goondas.   Knowing fully well this sort of serial mass murders and nazi type ethnic cleansing of Kashmiris, you must know you have gotten nothing but grief and misery from the only segment that has no desire of living peacefully with you? Exposing their obscenely savage atrocities is our patriotic duty!!!

Another great HIndu scolar whom I adore the most wrote:
"While Indian scholars, journalists, politicians and others are trying hard to make a case for India's inclusion in the UNSC it would be illuminating to understand India's position on the UN charter of human rights. Though the talking heads of the Indian media make a big song and dance about the Indian state's commitment to all manner of progressive concepts secularism, liberalism, human rights, women's emancipation and so on, this is actually a lot of hot air. The Indian government does not believe in the equality of its citizens irrespective of religion, class, caste, sex and colour, which is the basic principle of all modern concepts of governance. The Indian government believes that though all Indians are equal some Indians are more equal than the rest. The Indian government  has thereore granted the Muslim citizens power and privileges that it denies to other citizens Hindus, Christians, Sikhs etc.  In other words the Indian government has for the last more than sixty years been following an openly discriminatory policy towards its own citizens. This is a blatant violation of the UN charter and any government that institutes such policies has no business to be in the UNSC.
 
But that is not all. There is more institutionalised discrimination against women in India that anywhere else in the civilzed world.  India allows discriminatory laws and practices by its Muslim citizens against their women. Muslim women are denied equality with men that the Indian Constitution guarantees. It should be clear therefore that India allows institutionalised discriminatory practices against its citizens.  "
Finally, one good question to answer:
"Don't you know democracy is clay by which you can make god or devil. What we're making with it? " The demonic devil..

What more evidence do you need that one minor colonial segment who are the savage puppets of pakki fascists is dominating the economic and political scene - long past 1947 when Indians thought colonialism was over? Great achievement!! You are probably the winner!!!  Best regards,

hi Rajee...

thank you so much Sir

I feel so elated and honored to be the first runner up

thanks again

yashasvi

Congrats for the win. wish you many more such KUDOS in years to come. May you come out with your best as a judge in Contest-3. Regards. Rajee. 

hi Ehsaas,

thanks dear for your kind words and support

regards,

yashasvi

Yashasvi 
Apologies for not reading this blog earlier but wanted to write mine before I read others hope u will understand ..
Yes from the angle you have specified Democracy is a tool to run a country as large as India but people should work towrads making that tool an efficient one..
Well narrated, thoughtfully written debate. Enjoyed reading it 

hi Nanua,

thanks buddy for the knd reply

regards

yashasvi

hi Mom

thanks for that power packed reply to recharge my batteries to write better

love

yashasvi

interesting write.  I like the way it  is structured and views communicated.

BRAVO yashasvi  Great Write....Powerful and very thought provoking one too